Simple Obedience (Do and Observe)

[James and Terry Hamilton]

Someone wrote".OBEDIENCE IS WHAT WAS COUNTED TO ABRAHAM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS NOT THE LAW HE KEPT...BUT THE DIRECT INSTRUCTIONS GOD GAVE HIM FOR HIS PURPOSE."

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This may help: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/246612/jewish/Abraham... Law was not given to Avaham,... all Avraham had was Emunah and obedience" which is all anyone has to do to inherit the place in the world to come... No hoops, no church dogma, Just love G-d with alllllllllllll your heart and willingly allow HaShem as your Sovereign and allow G-d to enter your conciousness and your hearts and your mind. Simple Obedience and align that with Tzedakah and Teshuvah and what do you have The Yeshua way to salvation = Obedience to Torah ( If you are a Jew~~Check your bloodline~Yeminite??) if not Seven laws and if you wish more it was consigned that those who sit in the seat of Moshie..should be obeyed...[and that tenant is the same today as long as it does not defy Torah]

Yeshua clearly tells his Jewish disciples to DO AND OBSERVE WHATSOEVER those who sit in the Seat of Mosheh tell them to DO AND OBSERVE.

Yeshua made no stipulation that his disciples could ignore the Rabbonim if they failed to acknowledge Yeshua as HaMelech HaMashiach and Yeshua certainly didn't say that his own disciples should ignore the Rabbonim if they failed to acknowledge him as HaShem Himself...which he did not.

from the writings of the Early Church Fathers that CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES that as late as 210 CE there were non-Jewish Christians living in Rome who absolutely DID NOT believe that Yeshua was G-d Himself!

Further, this argument against Yeshua being the Deity was made whilst attempting to convert a pagan to Christianity!!! Additionally, the Christian apologist attempting to convert the pagan in this writing obviously saw the belief in Yeshua's deification as being as nonsensical as viewing Pharaoh as a living god!

Here's the full quote and source, in case anyone here gives a flying flip:

In the literature of the Ante-Nicene Fathers there's a book (c. 210 CE) entitled Minucius Felix, the account of a Gentile Xian named, Octavius, who, whilst walking "along the shore (of the Tiber)," converts to Xianity a man named, Caecilius, "by very weighty arguments." Octavius has this to say to Caecilius (Chap. XXIX):

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For in that you attribute to our religion the worship of a criminal and his cross, you wander far from the neighbourhood of the truth, in thinking either that a criminal deserved, or that an earthly being was able, to be believed G-d.

Miserable indeed is that man whose whole hope is dependent on mortal man, for all his help is put an end to with the extinction of the man. The Egyptians certainly choose out a man for themselves whom they may worship; him alone they propitiate; him they consult about all things; to him they slaughter victims; and he who to others is a god, to himself is certainly a man whether he will or no, for he does not deceive his own consciousness, if he deceives that of others.

Moreover, a false flattery disgracefully caresses princes and kings, not as great and chosen men, as is just, but as gods; whereas honour is more truly rendered to an illustrious man, and love is more pleasantly given to a very good man.

Thus they invoke their deity, they supplicate their images, they implore their Genius, that is, their demon; and it is safer to swear falsely by the genius of Jupiter than by that of a king.

Crosses, moreover, we neither worship nor wish for. You, indeed, who consecrate gods of wood, adore wooden crosses perhaps as parts of your gods. For your very standards, as well as your banners; and flags of your camp, what else are they but crosses glided and adorned?

Your victorious trophies not only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it. We assuredly see the sign of a cross, naturally, in the ship when it is carried along with swelling sails, when it glides forward with expanded oars; and when the military yoke is lifted up, it is the sign of a cross; and when a man adores G-d with a pure mind, with handsoutstretched. Thus the sign of the cross either is sustained by a natural reason, or your own religion is formed with respect to it.
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