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Taxpayers may have to cover octuplet mom's costs
Taxpayers may have to cover octuplet mom's costs
by Shaya Tayefe Mohajer
LOS ANGELES – A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red.
Even before the 33-year-old single, unemployed mother gave birth to octuplets last month, she had been caring for her six other children with the help of $490 a month in food stamps, plus Social Security disability payments for three of the youngsters. The public aid will almost certainly be increased with the new additions to her family. But when you think about it, that is a pitiful excuse of an income for all of these children. There has to be some greater method behind this madness, especially to go through the great lengths and cost she went through to get these children.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/fertility-clinic/photo//090210/480/ab...
This image made from a 2006 video provided by KTLA shows Nadya Suleman speaking at a fertility clinic … (photo)
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Octuplets-born-Calif-hospital/ss/even...
California Octuplets mom Nadya Suleman has a new Web site (www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com) shown in this screenshot taken on February 11, 2009. The site is dedicated to her brood of newborns. Suleman, 33, widely criticized for undergoing fertility treatments when she already had six children, has expressed confidence in her ability to care for her brood. (Slideshow)
Also, the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times. The cost has not been disclosed. It seems that everyone is expressing their inconvenience over this woman's planned and meditated EXTREME motherhood.
Word of the public assistance has stoked the furor over Suleman's decision to have so many children by having embryos implanted in her womb. This was all carefully planned to fulfill some sort of scheme. These fertility treatments are not a pleasant thing to undergo especially taking hormones to be able to produce and harvest multiple eggs at a time. It it torture to carry just one child alone. This must have been sheer agony to have carried 8 at one time. I have heard of people who enjoy pain, and is C-section is major surgery, and the suffering from that is extreme and intense. Who could enjoy pain and suffering to that extent?
"It appears that, in the case of the Suleman family, raising 14 children takes not simply a village but the combined resources of the county, state and federal governments," Los Angeles Times columnist Tim Rutten wrote in Wednesday's paper. He called Suleman's story "grotesque." For any of you other ladies out there who get any ideas about producing broods like this for sale on the adoption market or any other reason, just remember, that unless you really love pain and suffering, don't try this one.
On the Internet, bloggers rained insults on Suleman, calling her an "idiot," criticizing her decision to have more children when she couldn't afford the ones she had and suggesting she be sterilized. But if she enjoys bearing children so much, but doesn't intend to care for them herself, this would be a splendid opportunity for all of the adoption seekers to line up at her door step, and put in their order. She could be the cash cow for the adoption industry, and I do not think she would object.
"It's my opinion that a woman's right to reproduce should be limited to a number which the parents can pay for," Charles Murray wrote in a letter to the Los Angeles Daily News. "Why should my wife and I, as taxpayers, pay child support for 14 Suleman kids?" Another objector has spoken! Go ahead taxpayers, especially the ones seeking adoption, go put in you claims for a piece of the baby pie. Start putting in a bid now at the state level for the time when these children will become wards of the state, so that they can go directly into adoptive homes, and not be burdens, and state dependent for support. Tick Tock adoptive parents, go put in that bid NOW. When the state reaches their quota, it will be much easier to go in there and take these children. But be kind parents, and arrange for all of these brothers and sisters to see each other at least every 3 months in a special planned event that can be televised, and shown to the nation, as special interest stories.
She was also berated on talk radio, where listeners accused her of manipulating the system and being an irresponsible mother. She should expect this reaction, and not commiserate over it, or did it even phase her at all?
"From the outside you can tell that this woman was playing the system," host Bryan Suits said on the "Kennedy and Suits" show on KFI-AM. "You're damn right the state should step in and seize the kids and adopt them out." It is very hard these days to adopt children since most mothers opt for abortions who do not intend to keep their children. All of you parent want-to-be's out there, this is your golden opportunity. If you go offer her money for a child, chances are that she will grab at the chance, especially for a goodly sum, or perhaps throw in some incentive with a luxury car or other nice tidbit to boot.
Suleman's spokesman, Mike Furtney, urged understanding.
"I would just ask people to consider her situation and she has been under a tremendous amount of pressure that no one could be prepared for," Furtney said.
Furtney said he, Suleman and her family had received death threats and had been getting messages that were "disgusting things that would never be proper to put in any story."
In her only media interviews, Suleman told NBC's "Today" she doesn't consider the public assistance she receives to be welfare and doesn't intend to remain on it for long.
Also, a Nadya Suleman Family Web Site has been set up to collect donations for the children. It features pictures of the mother and each octuplet and has instructions for making donations by check or credit card. Could using her children for the purpose of extorting money from people be the true reason behind this great and expensive effort to bear children? And is this how she thinks that she will get off of welfare?
Suleman, whose six older children range in age from 2 to 7, said three of them receive disability payments. She told NBC one is autistic, another has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, known as ADHD, and a third experienced a mild speech delay with "tiny characteristics of autism." She refused to say how much they get in payments.
In California, a low-income family can receive Social Security payments of up to $793 a month for each disabled child. Three children would amount to $2,379. But for 14 children to split the care and feeding housing and clothes among, this is only a drop in the bucket.
The Suleman octuplets' medical costs have not been disclosed, but in 2006, the average cost for a premature baby's hospital stay in California was $164,273, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Eight times that equals $1.3 million.
For a single mother, the cost of raising 14 children through age 17 ranges from $1.3 million to $2.7 million, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is struggling to close a $42 billion budget gap by cutting services, declined through a spokesman to comment on the taxpayer costs associated with the octuplets' delivery and care. This little tidbit is news in itself. If these program are cut, the truly indigent or disabled people will have no recourse, and probably die in the system or the lack of the system. During the last great depression, over 7 million people died. For this reason in part was the main driving force behind creating these services and programs.
There are those who get into the programs and services just to get a free ride and rip off the system, which can be found in every state. But the people who are truly in need will be those who suffer, and the children and infants most of all. Imagine the consequences , especially now when people are being laid off by the thousands and there are no jobs to be had, and no money coming in whatsoever. Will people resort to crime and murder to stay alive? Can you see the chaos that is coming?
State Sen. Sam Aanestad, R-Grass Valley, an oral surgeon who sits on the Health Committee, said that once a state Medical Board investigation is complete, lawmakers could review issues from government oversight to standards in fertility treatment. Fertility treatments may be banned altogether. The birthrates have been under attack for many years, by allowing abortions, planned parenthood, and even teaching homosexuality in the public schools in California, all in an effort to curb births.
Suleman received disability payments for an on-the-job back injury during a riot at a state mental hospital, collecting more than $165,000 over nearly a decade before the benefits were discontinued last year.
Some of the disability money was spent on in vitro fertilizations, which was used for all 14 of her children, Suleman said. She said she also worked double shifts at the mental hospital and saved up for the treatments. She estimated that all her treatments cost $100,000.
Fourteen states, including California, require insurance companies to offer or provide coverage for infertility treatment, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. But California has a law specifically excluding in vitro coverage. It's not clear what type of coverage Suleman has. And for a state that goes through extremes to curb births, this law is an oddity in itself.
In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling, and will use student loans to support her children. She already owes $50,000 in student loans, she told NBC. She said she will rely on the school's daycare center and volunteers to care for her children. If she cannot or does not want to care for her children, you would have to ask your self what her very expensive efforts to give child birth is really all about.
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On the Net:
http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com
___
Associated Press writers Alicia Chang and Michael R. Blood contributed to this report.
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by Shaya Tayefe Mohajer
LOS ANGELES – A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red.
Even before the 33-year-old single, unemployed mother gave birth to octuplets last month, she had been caring for her six other children with the help of $490 a month in food stamps, plus Social Security disability payments for three of the youngsters. The public aid will almost certainly be increased with the new additions to her family. But when you think about it, that is a pitiful excuse of an income for all of these children. There has to be some greater method behind this madness, especially to go through the great lengths and cost she went through to get these children.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/fertility-clinic/photo//090210/480/ab...
This image made from a 2006 video provided by KTLA shows Nadya Suleman speaking at a fertility clinic … (photo)
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Octuplets-born-Calif-hospital/ss/even...
California Octuplets mom Nadya Suleman has a new Web site (www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com) shown in this screenshot taken on February 11, 2009. The site is dedicated to her brood of newborns. Suleman, 33, widely criticized for undergoing fertility treatments when she already had six children, has expressed confidence in her ability to care for her brood. (Slideshow)
Also, the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times. The cost has not been disclosed. It seems that everyone is expressing their inconvenience over this woman's planned and meditated EXTREME motherhood.
Word of the public assistance has stoked the furor over Suleman's decision to have so many children by having embryos implanted in her womb. This was all carefully planned to fulfill some sort of scheme. These fertility treatments are not a pleasant thing to undergo especially taking hormones to be able to produce and harvest multiple eggs at a time. It it torture to carry just one child alone. This must have been sheer agony to have carried 8 at one time. I have heard of people who enjoy pain, and is C-section is major surgery, and the suffering from that is extreme and intense. Who could enjoy pain and suffering to that extent?
"It appears that, in the case of the Suleman family, raising 14 children takes not simply a village but the combined resources of the county, state and federal governments," Los Angeles Times columnist Tim Rutten wrote in Wednesday's paper. He called Suleman's story "grotesque." For any of you other ladies out there who get any ideas about producing broods like this for sale on the adoption market or any other reason, just remember, that unless you really love pain and suffering, don't try this one.
On the Internet, bloggers rained insults on Suleman, calling her an "idiot," criticizing her decision to have more children when she couldn't afford the ones she had and suggesting she be sterilized. But if she enjoys bearing children so much, but doesn't intend to care for them herself, this would be a splendid opportunity for all of the adoption seekers to line up at her door step, and put in their order. She could be the cash cow for the adoption industry, and I do not think she would object.
"It's my opinion that a woman's right to reproduce should be limited to a number which the parents can pay for," Charles Murray wrote in a letter to the Los Angeles Daily News. "Why should my wife and I, as taxpayers, pay child support for 14 Suleman kids?" Another objector has spoken! Go ahead taxpayers, especially the ones seeking adoption, go put in you claims for a piece of the baby pie. Start putting in a bid now at the state level for the time when these children will become wards of the state, so that they can go directly into adoptive homes, and not be burdens, and state dependent for support. Tick Tock adoptive parents, go put in that bid NOW. When the state reaches their quota, it will be much easier to go in there and take these children. But be kind parents, and arrange for all of these brothers and sisters to see each other at least every 3 months in a special planned event that can be televised, and shown to the nation, as special interest stories.
She was also berated on talk radio, where listeners accused her of manipulating the system and being an irresponsible mother. She should expect this reaction, and not commiserate over it, or did it even phase her at all?
"From the outside you can tell that this woman was playing the system," host Bryan Suits said on the "Kennedy and Suits" show on KFI-AM. "You're damn right the state should step in and seize the kids and adopt them out." It is very hard these days to adopt children since most mothers opt for abortions who do not intend to keep their children. All of you parent want-to-be's out there, this is your golden opportunity. If you go offer her money for a child, chances are that she will grab at the chance, especially for a goodly sum, or perhaps throw in some incentive with a luxury car or other nice tidbit to boot.
Suleman's spokesman, Mike Furtney, urged understanding.
"I would just ask people to consider her situation and she has been under a tremendous amount of pressure that no one could be prepared for," Furtney said.
Furtney said he, Suleman and her family had received death threats and had been getting messages that were "disgusting things that would never be proper to put in any story."
In her only media interviews, Suleman told NBC's "Today" she doesn't consider the public assistance she receives to be welfare and doesn't intend to remain on it for long.
Also, a Nadya Suleman Family Web Site has been set up to collect donations for the children. It features pictures of the mother and each octuplet and has instructions for making donations by check or credit card. Could using her children for the purpose of extorting money from people be the true reason behind this great and expensive effort to bear children? And is this how she thinks that she will get off of welfare?
Suleman, whose six older children range in age from 2 to 7, said three of them receive disability payments. She told NBC one is autistic, another has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, known as ADHD, and a third experienced a mild speech delay with "tiny characteristics of autism." She refused to say how much they get in payments.
In California, a low-income family can receive Social Security payments of up to $793 a month for each disabled child. Three children would amount to $2,379. But for 14 children to split the care and feeding housing and clothes among, this is only a drop in the bucket.
The Suleman octuplets' medical costs have not been disclosed, but in 2006, the average cost for a premature baby's hospital stay in California was $164,273, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Eight times that equals $1.3 million.
For a single mother, the cost of raising 14 children through age 17 ranges from $1.3 million to $2.7 million, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is struggling to close a $42 billion budget gap by cutting services, declined through a spokesman to comment on the taxpayer costs associated with the octuplets' delivery and care. This little tidbit is news in itself. If these program are cut, the truly indigent or disabled people will have no recourse, and probably die in the system or the lack of the system. During the last great depression, over 7 million people died. For this reason in part was the main driving force behind creating these services and programs.
There are those who get into the programs and services just to get a free ride and rip off the system, which can be found in every state. But the people who are truly in need will be those who suffer, and the children and infants most of all. Imagine the consequences , especially now when people are being laid off by the thousands and there are no jobs to be had, and no money coming in whatsoever. Will people resort to crime and murder to stay alive? Can you see the chaos that is coming?
State Sen. Sam Aanestad, R-Grass Valley, an oral surgeon who sits on the Health Committee, said that once a state Medical Board investigation is complete, lawmakers could review issues from government oversight to standards in fertility treatment. Fertility treatments may be banned altogether. The birthrates have been under attack for many years, by allowing abortions, planned parenthood, and even teaching homosexuality in the public schools in California, all in an effort to curb births.
Suleman received disability payments for an on-the-job back injury during a riot at a state mental hospital, collecting more than $165,000 over nearly a decade before the benefits were discontinued last year.
Some of the disability money was spent on in vitro fertilizations, which was used for all 14 of her children, Suleman said. She said she also worked double shifts at the mental hospital and saved up for the treatments. She estimated that all her treatments cost $100,000.
Fourteen states, including California, require insurance companies to offer or provide coverage for infertility treatment, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. But California has a law specifically excluding in vitro coverage. It's not clear what type of coverage Suleman has. And for a state that goes through extremes to curb births, this law is an oddity in itself.
In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling, and will use student loans to support her children. She already owes $50,000 in student loans, she told NBC. She said she will rely on the school's daycare center and volunteers to care for her children. If she cannot or does not want to care for her children, you would have to ask your self what her very expensive efforts to give child birth is really all about.
___
On the Net:
http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com
___
Associated Press writers Alicia Chang and Michael R. Blood contributed to this report.
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